As some may have caught, the internet (and thus us too) were intrigued when videos and images began to circulate of a new P365 model.
You may have also noticed that post had disappeared.
That was at Sig’s request. When someone or some group who is working hard on something says, “Shhh! Please, it isn’t done yet.” that is a request I can respect.
Well, it’s done now and Sig has tossed the competitive gauntlet firmly down at the feet of the Glock 43x/48+Shield Mag combo with the latest 365 iteration.
SIG SAUER Introduces P365-XMACRO: Bringing Even More to Everyday Carry
NEWINGTON, N.H., (August 11, 2022) – SIG SAUER is pleased to introduce the P365-XMACRO bringing more capacity, more shootability, and more concealability to everyday carry; the P365-XMACRO packs an unprecedented 17+1 round standard capacity into the iconic 1” slim profile of the P365.
“When the P365 was introduced, it reimagined the possibilities of everyday carry, and the P365- XMACRO continues this tradition delivering more on everything that made the P365 the number one selling, and most award-winning gun in America,” said Tom Taylor, Chief Marketing Officer and Executive Vice President, Commercial Sales, SIG SAUER, Inc. “The innovative magazine design of the P365-XMACRO delivers on capacity while maintaining the slim design, making it more comfortable and more concealable than any other 17+1-round pistol on the market. The integrated compensator of the P365-XMACRO reduces muzzle flip making follow-up shots faster and easier to stay on target shot after shot for even more accuracy. It is very simple, like the name suggests, with the P365-XMACRO you get more of everything you want in an everyday carry pistol, and you no longer need to compromise your capacity for concealability or shootability.”
The P365-XMACRO is a striker-fired, 9mm, polymer frame pistol featuring the all-new Macro-Compact Grip Module with a standard 1913 accessory rail, an integrally compensated P365 XSERIES optics-ready slide with XRAY3 day/night sights, and flat trigger. The pistol ships with interchangeable small, medium, and large backstraps and (2) two 17-round steel magazines. The P365-XMACRO is optimized for use with the SIG SAUER Electro-Optics FOXTROT1 rail mounted flashlight and ROMEOZero Elite Micro Red Dot sight.
The P365-XMACRO is now shipping and available at retailers. To learn more about the P365-XMACRO or watch the product video with Phil Strader, Director, Product Management visit sigsauer.com.
About SIG SAUER, Inc. SIG SAUER, Inc. is a leading provider and manufacturer of firearms, electro-optics, ammunition, airguns, suppressors, and training. For over 250 years SIG SAUER, Inc. has evolved, and thrived, by blending American ingenuity, German engineering, and Swiss precision. Today, SIG SAUER is synonymous with industry-leading quality and innovation which has made it the brand of choice amongst the U.S. Military, the global defense community, law enforcement, competitive shooters, hunters, and responsible citizens. Additionally, SIG SAUER is the premier provider of elite firearms instruction and tactical training at the SIG SAUER Academy. Headquartered in Newington, New Hampshire, SIG SAUER has over 2,700 employees across eleven locations. For more information about the company and product line visit: sigsauer.com
Quick takeaways
For those who don’t want to look it up, it’s pretty much the same size as the G48, a smidge taller and slide a scoshe shorter (very scientific measurements), with +2 rounds (over shield magazines, +7 over factory), with an integral comped slide instead of a 4″ barrel. It’s rocking the 3.1″ barrel of the P365/P365X, hence X Macro and not XL Macro.
I suspect XL length slide/barrel will follow in a timely manner for those needing that extra inch.
Size queens, the lot of us.
This is the first 365 we’ve seen with an adjustable frame size via inserts, previous iterations have been full frame replacements, where popular options like the Wilson Combat frames popped up. I like the WC personally since it has just a little more meat on it for we of long fingers. When I get to play with this, I’m guessing the large insert will do the same thing and I am more excited about that feature than any of the rest. The original 365 grips needed just a bit more material for comfort, now I can put it there instead of waiting on WC to make a thicc grip.
Does the X Macro REVOLUTIONIZE CONCEALED CARRY!?
Nope. We’ve been able to conceal 17 rounds on us in reasonable comfort since we could put a +2 base pad onto a Glock 19 magazine, and striker guns are striker guns these days.
Golden Age of 9mm’s, friends.
What I suspect we have is the next iteration in comfort at 17 rounds. It’s the t-shirt made of the good blend, the shoe or boot that has that insert that is just that extra bit more ideal, or for my Marines in the audience who remember, the desert cammies when they reach that pajama soft stage and become absurdly comfortable to wear.
This is that M&P, P30, Glock 19X/45, or P320 Carry rendered for summer time, comfortable cloths, or formal wear and right now Sig is the one doing it. We’re being told we don’t have to drop capacity or performance to increase carry comfort. We’ve come very nicely through the Micro-9 evolutionary track and are back to duty gun capacities without duty gun bulk.
The NYPD’s Stakeout Unit was formed during a tumultuous time in the late 1960s in New York City where the risk and danger of violent robberies was a very real concern. Small cash businesses like convenience stores, mom-and-pop grocery stores, Western Union offices, motels, etc. were often easy targets that violent criminals liked to exploit—sometimes repeatedly.
The NYPD SOU (Stakeout Unit) would screen through incident reports of these at-risk businesses and then choose to intervene in some of the riskier profiles. SOU officers would visit these businesses in person and evaluate them. If deemed necessary, a team of SOU officers would remain during business hours and conceal themselves on the premises. These teams kept watch over customers and the business ready for anything to happen. The minute any sign of a violent robbery materialized, these well armed officers were ready to jump into action and stop it by any means necessary. Due to the fact that the SOU’s direct assignment was confrontation with armed felons, total control of the situation was critical to the SOU in order to avoid situations that deteriorated and began involving innocent bystanders or hostages. It was imperative to never leave that up to chance. For this reason, the officers in the SOU teams were typically better acquainted with their personal weapons and tactics than regular beat cops of the era.
HANDGUNS
From the years spanning 1928 through 1993, the standard issue handgun for New York Police Department Officers was a six shot, fixed sight, four inch barreled, double action revolver chambered in .38 Special. According to Jim Cirillo, a well known member of the SOU, police cadets had the choice to purchase either a Smith and Wesson “Military And Police” (known as the Model 10 after the year 1957) or a Colt “Official Police” revolver upon completion of the police academy.
Cirillo himself was known to carry two Model 10s, a standard and a bull barreled model, as he preferred the smoothness of Smith and Wesson action as opposed to the Colt’s. Each SOU officer was required to carry either of these official service sidearms while on stakeout assignment. Given the time period, context, and mission requirements for these officers, they actually typically carried more than one handgun. The tongue-in-cheek term, “New York Reload” coined by Mr. Massad Ayoob, was attributed to the fact that when he once asked Cirillo about his preferred revolver reloading technique, Cirillo stated that he didn’t worry too much about it—he just switched to different guns as he needed them.
A 4″ S&W Model 10 chambered for .38 Special with the bull barrel as preferred by both Allard and Cirillo. image credit: IMFDB
Cirillo personally tuned both of his service revolvers and he had an amateur gunsmith (another SOU teammate) help modify the factory sights to make them more useful and quicker on the target. The NYPD regulation cartridge at the time was a .38 Special loaded with a lead round nose 158 grain bullet that had a muzzle velocity of 700 fps (feet per second) which was held with disdain by Cirillo. He thought it to be inadequate and instead opted to load his revolvers with custom loaded .38 Special Super-Vel cartridges with a 110 grain hollow point bullet traveling at 1,125 fps. In spite of his extensive hands-on experiences with the terminal effects of .38 Special ammunition, his choice of alternative cartridges was something that caused a sore spot with some of his department superiors. It wasn’t until the year 1972 that the NYPD started issuing service cartridges with a semi-wadcutter bullet profile and finally replaced the older LRN (lead round nose) bullet. The SOU was the first police unit to field this ammunition and Cirillo did consider it to be a step in the right direction.
NYPD Officers arresting suspect with Model 10 revolver in hand. image credit: unknown
Backing those two Smith and Wesson service revolvers was a six shot snub nosed Colt Cobra revolver which he preferred over the S&W J-frame due to the fact that the Colt holds an extra cartridge. Both Model 10 service revolvers were carried openly on belt holsters on either side of his hips “like a cowboy.” The Colt Cobra sat in a front pocket and had a shroud over the exposed hammer to avoid any snagging on the draw. Cirillo had a preference for loading this particular revolver with wadcutter cartridges, as he believed they offered better terminal performance from shorter barrels. For some time Cirillo also carried a Walther PPK blowback semi auto sub compact pistol chambered in .32 Auto in a “crotch holster” (sic) as a measure of last resort. He claims it never saw much action besides the time he shot a rat at a gun range. Upon the realization of this Walther’s collector value, he cleaned it up and sold it.
A Colt Cobra snub nosed revolver (notice the absence of the hammer shroud). This is the version SOU officers would have had during the years the unit was active. image credit: Gunsamerica
Though all SOU officers were required to carry their official service revolver on duty, they had no such rules against carrying multiple handguns of other types. In fact, many SOU officers carried alternatives such as Browning Hi-Powers or various types of 1911s. These officers’ weapons had to be approved by Bill Allard who was the unit’s T&E officer (and Cirillo’s main partner). Allard held the power to approve or deny gear.
Allard himself always took his personal Camp Perry built Colt National Match .45 Auto 1911 pistol to every stakeout mission he was part of. The National Match pistol is a customization of a military 1911 pistol by military gunsmiths who modified them with target sights and match barrels in order to wring out match grade accuracy for use in accuracy intensive Camp Perry pistol matches. Allard claimed that he personally won one such high level pistol match with his particular NM 1911 pistol. That specific gun was one of three that he personally evaluated at Camp Perry on the fifty yard line and then purchased in 1967—the last year these handguns were available for sale. Allard carried the pistol the same way it left the gunsmith’s bench and only lubricated it and maintained it as necessary. He carried his Colt National Match 1911 pistol with three extra magazines, all loaded with 200 grain .45 Auto Norma hollow points—these were either his own handloads or factory ammunition. Concerning handgun ammunition choices, Allard and Cirillo had differing opinions; Cirillo preferred a quick moving .38 caliber bullet, and Allard preferred a slower but heavier .45 caliber bullet because he thought these offered better penetration potential in order to punch through bone and reach fight stopping vital organs. With regards to the mandatory NYPD issue service revolver, Allard preferred the Smith and Wesson Model 10 with a bull barrel as he thought it had “fantastic” overall balance. His backup snub nosed revolver was a Colt Detective Special for no other reason than that’s what the police department had available at the time of his purchase.
Original Camp Perry Colt National Match 1911 from the mid 1960s, and similar to Bill Allard’s personal pistol. This specimen which started life as a 1944 M1911 military pistol was selected for NM upgrades. It recently sold for $7,050 at auction in May 2022. image credit: Rock Island Auctions
LONG GUNS
The SOU used both twelve gauge pump action shotguns and lightweight M1 Carbines to great effect as workhorses on stakeout missions. It should be noted that in addition to shotguns or M1 Carbines the SOU also used the Smith and Wesson Model 76 sub machine gun—a clone of the famous “Swedish K” SMG, but according to Cirillo these guns were “unreliable pieces of shit.”
NYPD Officer with department issued 20″ Ithaca Model 37 Police shotgun. image credit: unknown
As far as American pump action shotguns are concerned, the Ithaca Model 37 shotgun was one of the most prominent 20th century shotgun designs that both fell flying game and interdicted criminals. Designed by John Moses Browning, this shotgun was possibly the world’s first ambidextrous pump action shotgun; due to its unique design, shotshells were both ejected and loaded from the bottom of its receiver. The left and right sides of this shotgun’s receiver are slick. Like some of Browning’s other shotgun designs, the Ithaca Model 37 has no trigger disconnector meaning that a shooter can fire all loaded shotshells continuously by cycling the action while simultaneously keeping the trigger depressed. Along with many other police departments during this time period, the Ithaca Model 37 was the standard issue for the NYPD as well. NYPD shotguns had twenty inch barrels and four round tubular magazines, which allowed the officers to carry up to five shotgun cartridges in the gun at a time. Cirillo mentions, “We had full length, and we had cut-downs—we loved the cut-downs because we were in tight quarters in some of the places we were hidden. We cut ‘em right down to the magazine tube, and then we welded a lanyard holder, because the muzzle was right there where you ended up pumping. So we had these nylon or canvas heavy webbing straps attached to ferrules so that you put your hand in there, you could keep your hand open and just slide it in like a karate chop, and you could fire this gun as fast as you could pull the trigger.”
NYPD Robbery Unit Officer circa 1980 with aforementioned “cut down” 13″ Ithaca Model 37 as described above by Jim Cirillo. image credit: Twitter user @QuintusCurtius
Though the twelve gauge buckshot ammunition available in the late 1960s and early 1970s was unsophisticated in comparison to modern tactical buckshot, the SOU being an adaptable unit still used shotguns to their advantage. Allard mentioned having a rule where buckshot was to be fired within distances of up to fifteen yards, and for anything past that, one ounce slugs were preferred. This was something he did to account for the possible spread of errant pellets. According to Cirillo, the SOP (standard operating procedure) for nighttime stakeout duty was to load a shotgun with slugs last in order to shoot them first inside a store where overhead lighting could aid in better aiming. They reasoned that if the use of force encounter spilled out onto the streets, they could then use buckshot to send a pattern to fleeing suspects or getaway vehicles. The daytime stakeout SOP for shotgun loading was the complete opposite—to send a column of shot against armed robbers inside the confines of the store and use slugs once the incident moved onto the daytime streets to mitigate pellet spread (as there would be more bystanders on daytime streets). SOU officers also briefly fielded sawn-off side-by-side shotguns favored by detectives of this time period. They did not last long on stakeout duty as SOU officers thought the low shotshell capacity to be a hindrance.
NYPD Officers armed with a department issued Model 37 shotgun. The officers’ service revolvers can be seen in their belt holsters. image credit: unknown
The M1 Carbine is a light weight, magazine fed semi automatic rifle designed on the eve of the Second World War and was issued to American troops who needed a weapon more capable than a handgun but did not need an infantry rifle or heavy sub machine gun. It was intended for men who manned artillery guns or carried communications equipment, but its light weight, compact size, and relatively high capacity (compared to standard infantry rifles of the day) also lent itself well for unconventional duties. It saw service up through the jungles of Vietnam until the more modern CAR-15 type rifle eventually superseded it. .30 Carbine ammunition was designed with a straight walled rimless casing that is reminiscent of a .357 Magnum casing without its rim. Projectiles were shaped like other handgun bullets as opposed to longer and heavier full size .30 caliber sptizer rifle bullets. Out of their eighteen inch barrels, these carbines typically pushed those 110 grain FMJ bullets at just a hair under 2000 fps. According to Cirillo, the M1 Carbine was an all around SOU favorite. He recounted, “They were great for stakeouts because we were in tight quarters, behind walls and such. We hand full-length ones and some that were cut down. When we confiscated an M1 Carbine on a case, it went to the range and our gunsmith would cut down the barrel to just about 12 inches and put on a folding stock and pistol grip. You know what? The carbine was one of our best stoppers. Our gunsmith was real good; he was able to fix those magazines so they reliably fed hollow point 110 grain Winchester ammo, an expanding bullet. You figure you’re shooting a hollow point bullet that’s going between 1,800 and 1,900 feet per second. That velocity gave us good hydrostatic shock. When that bullet opened up and folded back, it was superior to our handgun for sure. It was fast to shoot, light recoil, and you had 15 rounds. It turned out that anybody that was hit with it, even if they weren’t hit in the vitals, got dropped. We had one guy [who] (sic) was hit in the thigh, and he ran outside, his leg broke, and he fell. Evidently the tissue was so torn up, or the bone might have been fragmented, or touched; his leg broke, he had a compound fracture, he went down on the ground.” All M1 Carbines owned by the NYPD at the time were semi automatic only.
United States Marine armed with M1 Carbine on the island of Guam. July 1944. Lt. Paul Dorsey. (Navy) Exact Date Shot Unknown NARA FILE #: 080-G-475159 WAR & CONFLICT BOOK #: 1194
THOUGHTS
These days, hyper-reliable pistols with magazines that hold nearly twenty cartridges spoil the gun owning public. Moreover, the proliferation of slide mounted electronic red dot sights on duty and carry pistols has helped the modern shooter to wring out even more capability from their handguns. If one compares and contrasts the pistol found in the holster of the contemporary “switched on” shooter against those in Cirillo’s or Allard’s holster, it can certainly evoke a feeling of respect and appreciation for the skill at arms those officers and their SOU brethren had. These SOU officer all developed a general sense of what to expect on a stakeouts in addition to a fundamental understanding of what they could accomplish or could not accomplish with their guns and gear. Logically, they implemented creative adaptations to keep any unfair advantage. An obvious example is the fact that practically all SOU officers carried more than one handgun as switching to another sidearm would always be quicker than reloading any of their relatively low capacity weapons. Police shooting standards in those days also placed a very high premium on accuracy and the understanding that a revolver held only six rounds—making every shot count was how business was conducted. The NYPD SOU was active from 1968 through 1973. With the exception of the M1 Carbine (frankly one of their most “modern” weapons), the designs of the pistols and shotguns fielded by SOU officers had not fundamentally changed since the turn of the 20th century when many of these firearms were first introduced and developed. M&P (or Model 10) revolvers and the .38 Special cartridges were a product of the turn of the century, as the original Model 1899 Hand Ejector revolver isn’t that different from its descendants. The .38 Special cartridge in fact dates back to 1898 and was originally loaded with black powder. The same is true of Bill Allard’s National Match 1911 pistol—other than the target sights and extra care from a gunsmith, Allard’s gun design had not changed since the year the US Military adopted Browning’s .45 Auto pistol, 1911. In the same vein, by the time the SOU was formed in 1968, Ithaca had already manufactured its one millionth Model 37 shotgun at its upstate New York factory.
Smith and Wesson “Military And Police” Model 1899 Hand Ejector revolver from the turn of the 19th century, the basis of the SOUs Model 10 Service Revolvers. Shown are .38 Special cartridges not unlike the ones issues to NYPD patrolmen until the early 1970s. image credit: Wikipedia
It wasn’t just that men like Allard and Cirillo were “gun nuts” that spent ample time shooting and tinkering outside of their job duties. While both considered their frequent participation in shooting matches to be crucial for their development as shooters, it also wasn’t just that either. The reality is that the men of the SOU were able to prevail during these armed violent encounters due to their intimate familiarity with interpersonal violence. It was a phenomenon they experienced almost quite literally every time they went to work. As a result, the comfort and familiarity of knowing themselves in the heat of danger allowed these men to remain cool and collected so that thinking with a gun in their hand was second nature allowing them to solve the task at hand.
Author’s Note: Special thanks to CM for loaning me his copy of “Tales Of The Stakeout Squad” by Paul Kirchner. This book is out of print and relatively expensive to purchase nowadays. Additional gratitude goes toward DB for his explanation of background context to policing tactics of the era.
The cover of “Tales Of The Stakeout Squad” alongside my personal vintage snub nose revolver, currently the only snub nose gun I own.
Sometime back, I wrote an article detailing the historical and always cool Mk22 Mod 0 Hush Puppy pistol designed for Naval Special Warfare units. This little pistol had a unique feature that locked the slide to eliminate the noise of the slide slamming back and forth when fired suppressed. It’s an interesting and what I thought was a novel design. Turns out I was wrong; the Chinese had their own version of the Hush Puppy known as the Type 64 Silenced pistol.
The Type 64 Silenced pistol isn’t to be confused with the standard Type 64 pistol, or the Type 64 SMG, or the Type 64 tank, or Type 64 rifle, or Type 64 Anti-tank missile. Turns out Type 64 is a pretty broad term.
courtesy Brownells
Much like the Hushpuppy, the Type 64 Silenced pistol was also used in Vietnam. It’s not unheard of for Russian and Chinese materials to show up in the hands of North Vietnamese soldiers. Our confirmation of a Type 64 Silenced pistol being in Vietnam comes from a DIA Intelligence report from 1868 that states:
One such weapon, probably of Chinese Communist manufacture, has a report about one-fourth as loud as that of an unsilenced .22-cal pistol firing long rifle ammunition and half as noisy as the snapping of a 7.62-mm RPD light machine gun bolt. The weapon features an integral silencer and uses a special 7.65-mm cartridge. A pushbutton selector on the slide permits manual or semiautomatic operation; maximum silencing, however, occurs during manual firing.
Breaking Down the Type 64 Silenced Pistol
The Type 64 Silenced Pistol is a standard blowback-operated handgun utilizing a rotating bolt with locking lugs. Those locking lugs allow the user to flip a toggle to lock the weapon’s slide in position. When done so, the weapon is a single-shot, manually operated firearm. Like the Hush Puppy, the manual action mode is the most silent and eliminates the clapping noise of the slide moving back and forth. When the toggle’s flipped again, it functions as a standard semiautomatic pistol.
Unlike the Hush Puppy, the user can manually operate the slide without flipping the toggle off. The toggle sits on the breech block and works like a cross bolt safety. Press it in one direction to lock the slide and in the other direction to operate in semi-auto mode.
Unlike the hush puppy, the Type 64 silenced pistol is an integrally suppressed weapon. This results in a much shorter, more concealable design. The Chinese went with a two-stage suppressor for the Type 64. The first stage is your traditional baffle system, and the second stage sits below the barrel.
The second chamber is split in half, and the top is an expansion chamber. The bottom half is a mesh baffle system in which gas feeds from a port close to the muzzle. This unique design, paired with the unique ammo, makes the weapon very quiet.
The Silenced pistol is a standard communist handgun design from the mid-60s. It has a manual thumb safety, a heel magazine release, a DA/SA action, and uses a 9-round box magazine.
The Type 64 Suppressed Pistol Ammo
There is no point in designing a special gun without special ammo, right? America did the American thing and designed 158 grain subsonic 9mm rounds. China decided to go smaller with a cartridge similar to the .32 ACP. The cartridge is 7.65x17mm, just like the .32 ACP but is a rimless cartridge. The standard 32 ACP has a semi-rim to it.
That being said, it’s not much different than the .32 ACP ballistically. The 74-grain bullet moves at about 740 feet per second. It’s not a man-stopping magnum round by any means, but it’s effective enough for what I assume the gun would be used for. This isn’t a gunfighting pistol, but something likely used for close-range assassinations.
Can I Get One?
Maybe. Believe it or not, there is at least one in the states, and it was brought here by the SIONICS founder, suppressor aficionado, soldier, spy, and a mercenary named Mitch WerBell III. He toured Vietnam with his suppressors selling them to the army. Legend has it that an assassin tried to take him out with a Type 64 Silenced Pistol and failed.
Mitch brought the gun home, and it remained in his collection until after his death. It went up for auction at Rock Island Auctions. It’s likely the only one in the United States available for transfer. In 2020 it sold for 46,000 dollars.
The Chinese Hush Puppy didn’t rip off the Mk 22 Mod 0, but parallel thinking seemingly occurred. It’s a unique design of a seemingly forgotten concept.
Under no pretext is the Portland Socialist Rifle Organization interested in lying down for magazine capacity limits. From what may be an unexpected corner for many, this call to resist anti-gun legislation by petitioning to submit an argument against the bill in the Voter Information Pamphlet that is mailed to all registered voters in the state before every election has gone out.
Despite being oft-conflated with Democrats, Socialists have usually got at least one thing right: Shall Not Be Infringed. Whatever you think of their other policy stances, I think we can probably all appreciate not wanting to be arbitrarily limited to 10 rounds, especially given how unlikely such laws are to genuinely impact anyone but law abiding gun owners.
Is it worth endorsing the SRA to push back against democrats? The enemy of my enemy is my friend, after all. Facing a poorly written law that requires an undefined demonstration of proof a given standard capacity magazine was purchased prior to the law taking effect, and harsh penalties for anyone who cannot, it’s going to be a consideration some Oregon gun owners are going to have to make.
Politics makes strange bedfellows, after all, and resisting unconstitutional laws that negatively impact your right to effective self-preservation is the duty of all Americans who care about such things. Whatever your disposition toward them, they’re fighting for the right cause at the moment, and the ends may justify the means.
[Ed: We are delighted to welcome new author Dr. Bruce Noonan, who acts on his conviction that people deserve to worship in sanctity securely.]
Our institutions, formerly relatively safe, are under attack. Schoolshootings; a recent murder attempt against a sitting Supreme Court Justice; and attacks on places of worship appear in the news in alarming numbers. The disgruntled, the mentally ill, or politically motivated individuals transform into would-be assassins. On June 17, 2022, the U.S. Attorney General asked the F.B.I. to investigate pro-life church attacks as “domestic terrorism”.
In the first six months of 2022 at least four churches have seen 10 innocents killed, multiple injuries, and two active killers who committed suicide following their attacks.:
2/28/22: The Church In Sacramento, Sacramento California
5/15/2022: Geneva Presbyterian Church, Laguna Woods, California
6/3/22: Cornerstone Church, Ames, Iowa
6/17/2022: St. Stephen’s Episcopal Church, Vestavia Hills, Alabama
One killer was subdued by churchgoers and hog-tied with electrical extension cords; another was restrained by an attendee. None of these churches had an armed security team.
I am an NRA Certified Advanced Pistol Instructor and Training Counselor. I had just completed an initial CCW training of the 8-member CMA Church security team in Moses Lake prior to moving to Post Falls, Idaho two years ago.
In Idaho my wife and I searched for a new church home, and finally settled on Real Life Ministries (RLM) in Post Falls. It is a large church serving about 6,000 attendees. There are four services per week: three on Sunday and one Thursday night to facilitate the needs of people working weekends. In addition, there are three other campuses locally: Coeur d’Alene, Hayden, and North Campus (meeting at Spirit Lake, Idaho).
RLM bases its statement of faith purely on scripture. We hold traditional views of gender immutability, marriage, and sanctity of human life. Thus, we have become a target of the secular for being “intolerant”. Besides the Sunday services which average 1,000 in attendance per service, we have nursery and childcare in the main building. Other activities, such as high school or middle school meet one night a week. Weekly youth attendance can range up to 700 in each group.
I was approached by the church staff member in charge of security. He is retired from serving as a sniper and team leader in a police SWAT unit. As a master trainer and expert in tactics, he conducts annual timed firearms qualification testing for all “Safety and Health” team volunteers [hereafter referred to as “Security Team”] who may wish to carry concealed. Additional A.L.I.C.E. Training® (Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evacuate), and force-on-force are also offered to team members. Each team member must also be a church member, attend services regularly and participate in a church small group. Each person carrying concealed must also have the Idaho Enhanced Concealed Weapons License. Although not provided by the church, most team members possess individual concealed carry liability insurance through USCCA or U.S. LawShield. I feel right at home scripturally and find the Security Team at the RLM Post Falls campus to be a good fit for my talents.
The Post Falls RLM Security Team currently consists of 58 unpaid volunteer members. Most are current or retired law enforcement, military veterans and retired or reserve military. Health members include 3 active and 1 retired paramedic, 2 EMTs, 4 RNs, and one physician (me). Additional Security Team members include men and women, teachers and an attorney. Almost everyone on the team carries concealed.
Principles for protocols taught to Security Team members are based on the “Four D’s”:
Deter: Post signs declaring the church property as private; lock some doors to prevent unauthorized access; issue verbal warnings about carrying baggage into a service.
Detect: Alarm system in all campus buildings; 168 camera monitoring indoors and out, including blind spots; Capture images of suspicious individuals and vehicles; Watchful Team members fitted with two-way radios; Monitoring the National Crime Statistics Exchange.
Deny Access: When an individual arrives who appears to be intoxicated or on drugs, he or she is intercepted by team members. We DO want all individuals seeking the Lord to have access, so these individuals are approached in a respectful manner, and may be offered a free cup of coffee while politely asking if they are visiting. Backpacks, visible weapons of any kind are not allowed. Signs, belligerence or foul language are not allowed, nor are pets except for working animals.
Anyone on the property who may be part of a demonstration deemed inappropriate or disruptive will be asked to leave. Local police will be called to remove trespassers.
Defend: Hopefully deadly force will not be necessary, but we are prepared. Our primary goal is to prevent injury to the children, senior pastor, and all congregants, volunteers and staff. This may include interceding in an attempted kidnapping of a child, or in a belligerent dispute, domestic or otherwise.
Security Challenges
As an example of an encounter, in 2015 the only armed security at RLM in Post Falls was provided by sworn law enforcement officers who were church members. A distraught individual behaving in a suspicious manner, wandered into church Building 2. He was agitated, and shouted, “You need to get out of here. It’s going to get messy pretty quick!” Alerted by cell phone, our sole security officer present left the 9:45 am church service in Building 1 and helped to escort the children out of building 2 as per protocol.
Meanwhile the suspect drew a handgun and waved it around as people ran for the exits. The officer grabbed his SWAT gear from his patrol car, ready for the arrival of additional SWAT members and a K-9 police dog. After negotiating for two hours, the increasingly hostile suspect exited building 2, swept people with the handgun’s muzzle, and fired two rounds into the ground. He paused near the cross outside as Officer James hurled a flash bang at the suspect and released the K-9 toward him. At this point, the suspect fired his pistol into his own chest. Resuscitation efforts by paramedics failed.
More recently, in December 2020 at the Thursday night service, a tall, aggressive unkempt man walked into the Post Falls RLM church wearing boots, blue jeans and overcoat, carrying a guitar case. A Bowie knife and scabbard was strapped to his side. He was observed to be cornering a single female near the café area in the church lobby. He was approached by security and told he could not take the openly carried knife and case into the sanctuary. He put up an argument but was notified the church was private property and that he would have to leave.
A week later, he appeared at the Coeur d’Alene campus with the same knife, guitar case and a backpack as well. The security team had already been alerted by Post Falls campus security to watch for this individual. When questioned, the individual said he wanted to sit up front by the pastor. Again, he was told he could not have the backpack, knife, or guitar case in the sanctuary. When suggested he put them in his car, he explained he didn’t have a car. He then left briefly, returning a few minutes later. Two security members eventually talked him into surrendering the backpack, knife, and guitar case to be placed in the pastor’s study. However, the guitar case was exceptionally heavy, the pastor opened it only to discover it was filled with firearms and ammunition. The Coeur d’Alene Police were called. They soon discovered the individual was a convicted felon. He was arrested and is currently serving time for illegal firearm possession.
Biblical Justification
At this point, you may be wondering if the use of deadly force by church volunteers could be justified biblically. In his excellent book, Pistol in the Pulpit, Pastor Tim Rupp, himself a retired police officer, states:
“To be frank, nowhere does the Bible say explicitly, ‘A local church shall have an armed security team.’ Neither does the Bible say ‘A local church shall not have an armed security team.’” (p. 17)
Rupp goes on to show examples of God’s principles in allowing His people such as Moses to directing Joshua to take untrained Israelites to fight the professional attacking force of Amalek; Nehemiah praying to God and then assigning guards to protect the workers rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem; God commanding Elisha, a prophet and non-combatant, to kill survivors escaping the Israeli military commanders; and Jesus permitting Peter to carry a sword. Jesus even instructed his disciples to sell their cloaks to purchase swords. Rupp further concludes that “turning the other cheek” refers to responding to insults, not acting impotent in the face of mortal danger.
Medical Assistance
Although I am a retired physician (ophthalmology), I have never been licensed in Idaho. Nevertheless, I am current in BLS and ACLS, and have had training and experience in acute firearm wound care. Health team members on the Security Team are not infrequently called to assist with immediate medical needs of church attendees. After calling 911, the church is 7 to 10 minutes from city paramedics, so immediate assessment and emergent life-saving care is offered until city paramedics arrive. In recent times we have had a heart attack during a service, attended by church medical personnel and smoothly handed off to 911 personnel for transport to the hospital.
On another occasion, a woman suffered a heart attack in the church parking lot. A team paramedic, team nurse, and a non-team cardiac surgeon responded, and 911 was called. Unfortunately, this patient did not survive.
Other medical emergencies have included two individuals with seizures. I attended the first patient, a young female adult having grand mal movements with unintelligible vocal noises during the church service. Her thrashing about in the middle of a row of chairs required she be physically restrained by four men in place to prevent injury. As the seizure lasted 10 minutes, we had to call 911. She recovered just before their arrival. Nevertheless, she was taken to the Emergency Room for observation.
Another seizure happened to one of the in-service camera operators. Our church services are also available by live streaming video. Had it been known that the cameraman had a seizure disorder, he would not have been allowed to use one of the elevated camera platforms. When the seizure struck, he fell off the camera platform. Fortuitously he was caught by a nearby staff member and suffered no injuries. He recovered quickly and was allowed to go home.
Our medical supplies are duplicated at all four RLM campuses. Each has an AED. Some other supplies are listed in the following table.
I generally serve at least 7 hours per week on duty. In addition, the security team is occasionally called upon to help at community outreach events on church property such as the annual Easter egg hunt (5,000 kids!), and the autumn Harvest Festival. I get a great sense of joy serving our Lord Jesus Christ in this activity. I still pray every day that I won’t need to shoot anyone. However, in defense of others, especially children, team members are willing to risk their lives to stop any threat for that noble purpose.
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— Bruce Noonan, MD is a retired ophthalmologist, NRA Benefactor Member and NRA Certified Advanced Pistol Instructor and Training Counselor. He began hunting at age 10. He served as a Navy Flight Surgeon, retiring as a Captain, and shot Expert with the .45 pistol in training.
If you click on that link, (I know you don’t want to, but it’s instructive) you’ll see that Minnesota and California are quite different when it comes to gun control laws, but remarkably similar in rates of gun homicide. If you change Minnesota to Maryland, however, you’ll find that the inverse is true. Almost exactly the same gun laws, yet half again as many gun deaths. Why is this relevant?
Well, if you’ve been watching the news recently amidst all the commotion surrounding the new “Assault Weapons” Ban bill, lots of legislators are touting California’s relatively low gun homicide rate as evidence that its draconian gun regulatory scheme works. A smorgasbord of soon-to-be-challenged in court restrictions on carry, ownership and manufacture of guns, as well as various scary features make California the forefront of legacy gun control, and the latest absurdities CA and others are cooking up in response to recent SCOTUS rulings.
Maryland shares borders with Virginia, Pennsylvania, West Viginia, where gun laws are much looser, which the anti-gun lobby often touts as explanatory, but California borders famously pro-gun Arizona, and Nevada -and hell even Oregon is a libertarian guntopia by comparison- and nobody seems to point that out for some reason.
Whatever the proffered explanations, the simplistic argument that “gun laws reduce gun deaths” is demonstrably false. You can find plenty of other counter-examples on Everytown’s own site, and if you find yourself in a discussion on the topic, The Other Guy is more likely to take such a source at face value, so use their data against them!
We aren’t proposing to know why CA, MN, and MD have such similar yet disparate rankings on this topic, but if one believed that gun laws predicted gun violence, this would be heavy evidence to the contrary. Correlation is not causation, no matter how much one might wish it were.
Three things are trending in LPVO development right now, smaller, lighter, and lower cost for quality. The PLXc is no exception. In fact it nicely illustrates the developmental momentum on nearly all fronts.
The Primary Arms Compact PLx, or PLX-C or PLXc, or however you’d like to place the letters, I like PLXc, so we shall proceed with that title. The PLXc is able to demonstrate a strong combination of current tech and lessons learned in the modern LPVO options suite.
The PA PLXc
The Compact PLx in a Reptilia AUS on the author’s M6IC-SPR, a very comfortable setup. Replacing the older 1-6 VCOG.
Unless you’re Trijicon selling to the Marine Corps, which makes sense, Marines are Marines, most other scope makers are engineering to match or exceed the feature sets we’ve had in optics past, but in increasingly less weighty scope bodies. Manufacturers have been increasingly able to improve on other quality aspects over previous iterations and not merely miniaturize. Glass is better, controls are smoother or better designed, and costs are down.
Truth be told, there is really only one thing “new” in the new scope, its size. It’s housing is more typical of what we’ve come to see from 1-4x and 1-6x scopes, but this is a 1-8 FFP in a highly quality well glassed 30mm tube, 24mm objective lens.
Unsurprisingly, the PLXc is offered with the Primary Arms ACSS reticle system. The ringed chevron with range and wind assist markings is cleanly done and doesn’t commit the cardinal sin many FFP reticles do, too thick and too busy. It’s just enough at 1x to snap on quick, assisted by the wide and crisp FOV, and it gives the shooter information without being in the way at higher magnification settings. Exactly what you want out of an LPVO FFP reticle.
It does all this at less than 10 inches long (9.28in) and less than 17oz. For comparison, the Trijicon SCO is 32oz. For a more direct comparison, if I run an Aimpoint CompM5s and magnifier (3x-c model to 6x only have 1 oz difference) on Scaralworks LEAP mounts I’m at about 23oz. I put the PLXc in a Scalarworks 30mm LEAP scope mount and I am at the exact same optical weight, with 8x top magnification, everything in between down to a clear and wide FOV 1x, and far more information I can draw from the reticle than a dot.
No, still not your red dot replacement
If you are seeking an RDS type solution with magnification, the PLXc is not it. That super bright aiming point is still something most FFP optics struggle with, it isn’t their place. Look at Second Focal Plane options and RDS+Magnifier combinations, they are both still excellent options.
Now, if you want/need the always scaled, cleanly reticled, precise, and quick front focal plane option for a balance of accuracy, distance capability, and rapid shot placement capability, the PLXc does these exceptionally well.
It boasts an admirable field of view, 121ft at 1x, for comparison the USMC SCO (VCOG, 1-8x) has 109.2ft. at 1x in its absolute unit of a housing.
Consider where your rifle is living, not its full range of capabilities, when considering an optic.
In many instances, military application for example, an FFP optic with ballistic reticle matching the ammunition (or a quick reference of holds for the milliradian or MOA grids) will help the troop increase their hit probability substantially. Their rifles routinely live out to 300 or 500 yards, with an optic like the PLXc everything within 600 yards is pretty well within reach on almost every conceivable rifle or carbine. An M16A4, MK12 SPR, or .308 16-20″ types could reach 800 yards without much difficulty and a proper round.
Adhering to the 1x per 100 yards rule, the PLXc is a strong GPR optical contender.
In contrast, if you are living within the 50 yard world and are setting the rifle up to be most efficient there, but with the ability to push range and observation, the PLXc can certainly do the job but might not be the best LPVO or optical choice. You are likely prioritizing the fastest sight picture you can achieve, and that gets easier with a bright center reticle.
Dots remain speedy sight picture kings with the ability to superimpose the bright red (or green) dot over center mass and manipulate the trigger.
The PLXc is still limited on the brightness, most FFP optics are. They have very little reticle to contrast against in the etched glass. However it is etched glass, and therefore a solid state reticle, and the contrast illumination on it is very good for etched glass. In the bright conditions where the illumination is starting to fade you don’t need it illuminated, and in dark conditions it has solid contrast. You can hit the dark target with white light.
If you want this optic and its admirable capability set, you can certainly make it do the work without too much grief. If you need to chase the shiny red dot like a cat, SFP for you.
Precision within the range envelope
Making precise shots within a given range, even a distance some would consider ‘close’ starting at about 50 yards, say in the 70-77 yards arena where the average police sniper shot distance is hovering, then the ACSS M8 reticle could be exceptionally useful to you.
ACSS M8 Yards
The chevron reticle type will forever remain one of my favorites for placing a precise shot. Dots are well and good for covering a point of aim and squeezing a quick shot off, but anyone who has tried to shoot with a dot and it ended up obscuring a large portion of the target after a certain distance can appreciate the fine aiming point that a chevron gives. The chevron is still easy to use as an occlude and shoot solution too, just like an RDS, as it is about 1 MOA thick, 3 MOA tall total, and about 6 MOA leg to leg.
I knew the actual dimensions, or saw them at some point, but I couldn’t find them while writing this. The short version is put the chevron on the target and squeeze the trigger if the chevron fits inside the target. Even a 6″ steel circle target should fit to 100 yards and a to-scale silhouette type to 300 yards.
The chevron also benefits from the fact it’s always to scale, illuminated or not. An overly bright dot can obscure a small target even when the dots projection size is small, 2 MOA being an industry standard, the occlusion may be effectively much larger than that. You can adjust, of course, but it’s consistency is one of the additional factors I live about the sight picture of a solid state reticle. The first factor being that the reticle is very clear and crisp with my astigmatic eyeballs
Offsetting factors
For trajectory estimates, starting close, the round will rise up to the bottom of the horseshoe of the reticle at about 10 yards, be between the legs on the chevron at around 40 yards, and be within the filled chevron body from about 60 yards until 200 yards, with 100 yards being the chevron tip itself. This is a rough assumption off an M193 type 55gr load, at above 3k fps muzzle velocity, and a 100 yard zero. Other rounds and zeros will change the trajectory, but doping good holds and doing the math on any load you want shouldn’t be hard to write up.
The 0-300’s on most rounds are going to be similar enough to make the BDC usable, you’ll notice increasing difference beyond that as velocity and BCs vary. The most notable change would be in using .300BLK or 7.62×39, as they have significantly lower muzzle velocities. Using an SBR will also steepen your fall off.
If you’re setting the rifle up for serious precision intent, map it out with your ammunition for more exact holds at distance. Don’t rely on an app, get real data.
Not a VCOG, doesn’t need to be.
Rifle beside truck tire, because reasons.
I’ve compared the PLXc to the VCOG SCO at a few points now because the VCOG represents a similar performance envelope with a vastly different constructive intent. The VCOG is built for extreme end durability, like the ACOG and Aimpoint CompM series are, weight savings are not a critical element if it compromises the optic durability parameters.
The PLXc occupies the tier below this extreme end. IPX7 is usually the emersion rating along with typical high rate recoil/shock hardening. Optics like the Razor II, Razor III, NX8, VUDU, and Tango6T all occupy this ‘durable’ category with the PLXc, and several of those have been adopted into military use.
Shorter underwater time limits and depths for the stand out differences from the VCOG. You could dive with a VCOG to 20 meters. With any of the other listed scopes you could safely cross a river with the water at chin height and the rifle under water but you’ll want to get out of the water in a timely fashion, IPX7 lists 30 minutes at 1 meter depth/pressure. The optic will not care about rain. The VCOG will have a higher absolute limit for crush damage and impact damage thanks to the tougher (and harder to machine) aluminum, but neither it or the optics in the tier beneath are going to care much if the rifle tips over, gets tripped and fallen on, or falls off a truck tailgate.
Let’s be real, we live in a fall in the mud, rifle falls off tailgate, trip and knock the gun around world. Not so much the swim out of a torpedo tube 20 meters down, infiltrating unspecified beach. We can appreciate the PLXc, Razor, NX8 type durability fully, the VCOG is a tad overbuilt and mission specific beyond our reality.
It doesn’t hurt that you can get two PLXc’s for the cost of a VCOG, it is more logistically friendly in that regard. If I am mapping a budget for say department patrol rifles in a northern (or southern) rural area with longer shots, potentially dangerous wildlife, and substellar weather I might have my rifle out in for several hours, the PLXc would fill that bill nicely.
Through the looking glass
The PLXc excels with that expansive field of view. Most LPVOs give you a notable tube effect looking through them at 1x, the PLXc has a very clean eyebox that has minimized this, once your diopter is set properly for your eye. I think the 30mm tube and the glass selection lend to this exceptionally nice disappearing act the scope body performs during use. I don’t know if the PLXc has the best FOV in the 1-8 sphere, but it beats the VCOG, NX8, ATACR, and S&B PM II Short Dot by various degrees.
At maximum magnification the eyebox narrows down, per usual, but is still clearly defined, you either have a clean and useable sight picture or you can’t see through the scope.
The reticle is useable through the entire magnification range, something that should be an obvious design intent but was often overlooked to focus on 1x, 8x, or both without much consideration to the middle. The PLXc suffers no such limitation.
Illumination, as noted above, remains the hardest limit on this scope. In a bright environment the chevron and horseshoe can contrast but they won’t shine. The contrast is excellent on the high settings in bright environments, it doesn’t get easily overwhelmed, but I wouldn’t call it daylight bright. Many early options, even from premium manufacturers, suffer from illumination overwhelm or the reticle bleed into the sight picture on high settings.
The PLXc suffers none of these, optical progress.
Click, click, boom
The Nightforce NX8 is likely the most comparable optic, as it is sitting in the same size, weight, and focal plane range. Even not too far off in price, being only $250 above the PLXc.
I would take either with no other options, but I prefer the PLXc for two reasons. The .1 MRAD adjustments on the PLXc compared to .2 MRAD on the NX8, I think FFP optics at 8x and 10x benefit from the finer adjustment, and the field of view.
While the NX8 is undeniably a finely built optic and there would be little reason to replace it if owned already, if I were picking a scope between the two I’d be most likely to pick the PLXc. It would arguably be a difficult choice against the ATACR now too.
Comparisons
I’ve done more comparing and contrasting in this review than I typically do for a firearm review. That is for two reasons.
First, the optic is going to provide additional function to a firearm where a firearm can stand alone.
Second, the field of LPVO optics is neatly stacked with excellent options so finding where this one fits into that is more a comparative search than saying if this optic is standalone reliable. Optics don’t stand alone.
The overlap between optic types in similar magnification ranges also causes some confusion on where an optic is designed to perform strongest. Like an M4A1 clone(ish) and a Mk12 are both AR-15’s, not dissimilar in size, but are built for very different jobs. Optics are the same way, even if they both say 1-8x.
Conclusion
The PLXc is benefitting from a solid decade of rapid LPVO development in the competitive commercial space. Primary Arms listened to the lessons learned by it and other optics companies as the mass market(s) figured out there requests.
The Leupold 1.1-8 CQBSS was one of the earliest examples and the PLXc is among the latest. The PLXc is shorter, lighter, with a better field of view, and 2.5 times less expensive than the Leupold, current day, for the same performance envelope. That’s a decade of development at work.
For someone looking for an optic to exploit full service rifle/carbine effective ranges or push into the DMR category, it should be on the consideration list. It could save you space, weight, and a bit of money while giving up nothing.
Making the decision to draw a gun on someone is a weighty one, with dramatic potential consequences, let alone actually pulling the trigger. There is, perhaps moreso now than ever, a sense of hesitancy in some armed citizens and police, given the last two years of court cases and media coverage surrounding both Officer Involved Shootings (OIS) and armed citizens exercising their first, and second amendment rights.
There is wisdom in the concept of serious contemplation of moral, personal, financial, and legal outcomes surrounding use of force. Nobody worth listening to would suggest that firing blindly at someone without a clear and articulable threat of death or grievous bodily harm. That would be indefensible on every level, and would make the shooter a criminal, and at best a wanton asshole.
If you’ve watched the news, or any of the videos posted by John Correia over at ASP, then you’ve seen someone hesitate to react appropriately to a lethal threat. Cops aren’t immune from this, (disclaimer: the video linked in the following text is upsetting to watch, as it is the final moments of a police officer)it’s not even a new phenomenon and besides the fear of being branded a murderer in the media, police recruiting is often scraping the bottom of the barrel nowadays. I don’t think anyone would argue that law enforcement training is TOO rigorous or in-depth, but calls to defund them, and the perception many have of them as being arbitrarily violent is not improving that situation: Presuming you are a decent person, if all you ever hear about police is how violent and sinister they are, will you be drawn to law enforcement as a career, or will violent, sinister people be the ones drawn to the profession?
Self-fulfilling prophesies aside, whether you are a cop, or an armed citizen, training more than the minimum is paramount to increase the odds that you can successfully defend yourself and others, not to mention your reputation and literal freedom. Going to jail after making the wrong call and unjustifiably shooting someone does you and your family no good.
Equally important though, and excellently analyzed by the venerable Force Science Institute in the article linked above, is the aforementioned hesitancy to go to guns. If you encounter a threat that meets the AIOJP standards for use of lethal force, waiting to see if it all turns out okay might end your life as quickly as a bad shoot could, but somewhat more permanently, and lot less figuratively.
The 0.83 seconds it takes to react to a deadly threat, assuming you’re 100% focused on it, and can see it coming, could literally be the rest of your life. Creating distance, achieving a positional advantage, and attempting to negotiate or de-escalate the situation can all be done with a hand on your gun, ready to draw (which can cut the time to first shot by up to a quarter), and it can also be done with that gun pressed out, sights on target. One might even argue that your attempts at negotiation would even be more effective this way.
Whoever you are, if you’re armed in your day-to-day life, it’s worth keeping all these things in mind, and integrating them into your training and solo practice. Instinctively moving to cover, giving commands, and creating distance will always put you in a better position than standing still, or having to think on the fly. Give FSI and their online resources a look, and see if you can integrate their suggestions into the work you put into going home alive every day.
The classic Saturday Night Special. I love that term, and much like assault weapon, it’s a nebulous term that morphs and shapes to mean whatever gun grabbers want it to. It’s been around for over a hundred years, with one of the first reported uses in a 1917 newspaper. Today we will look at some of the best and worst Saturday Night Specials and some of the famous options.
Defining the Saturday Night Special
What’s a Saturday Night Special? It depends on who you ask. Common sense says it’s a cheap gun, sometimes imported, that appeals to lower-income people who need the means to protect themselves. According to gun grabbers, it s a cheap gun used by criminals to harm others. Historically it’s been a class of weapons used by marginalized people.
The ‘68 GCA went as far as to try and block imports based on very silly points criteria. If your gun doesn’t meet the points criteria, it’s a Saturday Night Special and can’t be imported. I kept all of these definitions in mind when I wrote this article, which might make some of my choices surprising.
Rohm Revolvers
Rohm Revolvers take the top spot, arguably making them the worst Saturday Night Specials. These revolvers came in various calibers, including .38 Special. They were most popular in .22LR and .22 Short. These pot metal pistolas were some of the cheapest guns on the planet and were imported from Germany in the 1960s.
Post-war Germany was a different place, and not everything was an HK. The Rohm revolvers famously lost timing and often shaved lead until the frames cracked and the guns broke. Not exactly a high-quality firearm, but they sold for 13 bucks. What did you expect?
After the GCA passed, Rohm began shipping the parts of the gun to Miami to be built there, thus bypassing the law completely. You can stop the signal.
Raven MP-25
When I think of the phrase Saturday Night Special I can’t help but picture the Raven MP-25. The MP-25 was the first pistol I ever purchased, and I did so for a measly 60 bucks. The guy at the gun store was reluctant to even sell it. He warned me it was a piece of crap. The MP-25 is one of the most famous or infamous Ring of Fire guns.
Ring of Fire is a name given to a number of firearms companies, mainly Saturday Night Special producers, all situated close together in California. The Raven MP-25 is a simple blowback-operated firearm firing the famed 25 ACP cartridge. It’s got crappy sights, a frustrating safety, and a heel magazine release. Not exactly high-tech.
Since it was made in the United States, the GCA wasn’t an issue. Surprisingly the gun always worked for me. It went bang every time I pulled the trigger, and while that might have only been 150 times, I’m still impressed.
Jimenez JA-380
A gun I owned that barely went bang when I pulled the trigger was the Jimenez JA-380. It turns out pot metal guns don’t do well with .380 ACP cartridges. This was a gun I stumbled across on accident and was given to me when I helped a nice older lady move her couch. She didn’t want it and didn’t know how to get rid of it.
It appeared new in the box, and that box was cardboard but unexpectedly had foam cut for it. I got two mags with it, and after purchasing a box of .380 ACP, I see why she gave it away. I couldn’t get a single magazine worth of ammo to cycle through the gun. Tons of stovepipes to the point of frustration.
Eventually, the inside of the slide cracked, and the gun simply didn’t work. It took less than 100 rounds of 380 ACP to rip this thing to pieces. I gave it to a friend, and it’s currently a literal paperweight.
The American Bull-Dog
What the hell is an American Bull-dog? Well, I’m glad you asked. In the 1870s, the American Bull-dog offered those of a lower income level a revolver. These were inspired by the British Bull-dogs of the time. The American Bull-dog could be had for 3.31 in various calibers, including .38 S&W, .32 S&W, and .44 Webley. Keep in mind a Colt cost 20 dollars at the time.
These were compact revolvers and even had double-action triggers. What made these guns so cheap was a mix of shoddy work and the fact they used designs in which patents had expired long ago. Bull-dog eventually became a term applied to small revolvers in general, and multiple companies used it to advertise their cheap pistols.
These are the Saturday Night Special of their day, and they were targeted by early gun laws of States like Arkansas and Tennessee, which specifically banned any handgun that wasn’t an ‘Army or Navy’ model. This legislation specifically targeted poor people intending to disarm newly freed slaves.
Walther PPK
Adding the Walther PPK seems like sacrilege. It’s insane, crazy. How dare you include a fine specimen of Teutonic engineering to a list full of crappy guns! Hey, I’m with you. I don’t think the PPK is a Saturday Night Special. It’s a damn fine gun, but the GCA of 1968 thinks it’s a Saturday Night Special.
When the GCA of 68 passed and its point system went into effect, the PPK couldn’t pass muster. Its caliber and design are too small for the ATF to approve for import. While most of us just wanted to larp as Bond, the American government made that very difficult.
This led to the creation of the PPK/s, a slightly larger model that got just enough points to be allowed importation. Are the two guns really all that different? Well, no, but the ATF and Federal Government doesn’t care.
It’s Saturday Night Baby
The Saturday Night Special has always been a source of much controversy in the United States. Right now, the current scare tactics rely on the phrase assault weapon, but Saturday Night Special was the term before that. The Modern SNS might something like P80 Kits. Their tactics don’t change, and we need to keep fighting tooth and nail to preserve our rights and prevent and even overturn the GCA of 1968. Stay ready, my friends.
While dining at El Sombrero this evening I was surprised to see a Public Service Announcement on the TV displaying the character Smokey the Bear with the caption: “Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires”. I recall the impact that ad had on me as a child in my long-past and misspent youth. The PSA startled me because El Sombrero is 900 miles south of the Texas border. I wasn’t expecting to see him here. The shock piqued my inner adman.
It struck me that that message could be reframed as “Only You Can Prevent Gun Fire”. This statement could overlay any of the many heroic civilians who have stopped shooters in public places. Or, perhaps, a series of pictures of the latest civilians who have performed such public service.
What’s the effective idea here? Is it really a binary proposition? It is only the individual hiker or camper who can prevent a wildfire. It is not Forest Service smoke jumpers who parachute into the sound of crackling timber to fight fires in process.
In reality, with most problems of social concern, it is a combination of effort by professionals and lay(wo)men alike. In obstetrics, it’s the professional doctor or midwife who ensures the safest possible delivery. But the patient has as much as 9 months to line up these professional resources. With home fires, it’s the builder who bears initial responsibility for constructing the home to code. The homeowner maintains the premises as free of combustibles as possible and keeps fire extinguishers ready to use. Professional firefighters rush to the report of a 911 call.
Then what of assaults by firearms?
Public shootings are least like the obstetrics example. We don’t get months of notice that an attack is pending. We can’t really speak of “preventing” a public shooting in the same way as we can prevent a crisis in labor and delivery through proper prenatal care and case management on the delivery date. Professional public servants really can’t do much to prevent public shootings. Failure to recognize this simple fact is to divert our attention from effective mitigation.
We can look at public shootings from an analogy of emergency rooms and ambulance services. The emergency occurs. The ambulance is summoned and mitigates the damage as best they can on the street. Then the professionals in the ER do the best they can to save those who survive the ambulance ride. It’s the best they can do. Police can’t really do any better. Sometimes they can be pre-positioned for scheduled public events. But ambulances and ER doctors can’t be everywhere at once.
Perhaps the best example is that of the home fire. Builders can implement some preventative measures ubiquitously. Still, homeowners must maintain their premises as fire safe as possible. We keep and replenish fire extinguishers. It is us, the (civilian) homeowners who are “first responders” when fire breaks out, before professionals can reach the scene.
We have the data. Each gunshot homicide is investigated and documented in great detail. We understand the problem very well. What works? A good guy in blue who rushes to the sound of gunfire? Or the good-guy—irrespective of the color of his profession—who is already at the scene? How many must die as a consequence of our fetish for professional responders? When those professionals cannot reach the scene in seconds? Or when, upon arrival, fail to run to the sound of gunfire?
Only you, the good guy at the scene, can prevent gunfire.
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— ‘MarkPA’ is trained in economics, and is a life-long gun owner, NRA Instructor and Massad Ayoob graduate. He is inspired by our inalienable rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” and holds that having the means to defend oneself and one’s community is vital to securing them.
CHICAGO, IL — A teenage security guard at Lollapalooza is accused of creating fake mass shooting threats to get out of work early, according to reports.
Prosecutors said Janya Williams, 18, sent her boss an anonymous text Friday threatening a mass shooting at the festival and claimed her sister had warned her of a mass shooting threat on Facebook, Block Club Chicago reported. Williams also created a fake Facebook page under a pseudonym, wrote a threatening post, and screenshotted it without publishing, authorities said.
Yeah… don’t do this. On the scale of bad ideas, this ranks legendary.
I don’t know what line of substance the good idea fairy snorted into their cranium to then whisper to Janya and say, “Hey, you know how you need to jet early from work… I have a plan. The secret ingredient is terroristic threats.”
Yes.
Terrorism.
This isn’t pulling the fire alarm (don’t do that either), most people who do this, and yes it is prevalent enough that there is a most who do this category, get charged with terrorism.
So maybe just tell your boss you need to leave. Or fake having COVID or the flu if you feel compelled to lie about it. Maybe avoid picking the media’s scariest external threat right now, the one where there are actual dead children thanks to the depraved predations of psycho losers. Avoid picking the thing that panics literally everyone. The flu is fine, nobody wants the flu but they aren’t going to stampede out of a public venue to get away from it and mobilize SWAT teams to hunt down a deranged killer that you made up to get off work before 2pm.
Or just leave. Like, JUST leave. You’re a voluntary hourly employee and the worst that can, at a rent-a-cop level, happen is usually you just don’t work there anymore.
Just say no to terrorism. Yes, made up terrorism too.
A post on the CAGuns subreddit recently illustrated that the wheels on the Hall of Justice in LA County could use some grease. According to the OP, it took what amounts to a year and most of a February to get a CHL approved in the most populous county in California.
The fact that it’s being issued at all may come as a surprise to many, but in what is now effectively (along with every other state in the country, thanks SCOTUS!) a shall-issue state, this is atrocious. Thankfully the recipient didn’t seem to be under immediate threat, but one can only imagine what it must be like to be the subject of stalking, harassment, or abuse in LA County. Attempting to protect yourself from a credible threat with more than a piece of paper and the honor system hopefully won’t always have a multi-month lead time, but this situation certainly doesn’t lend itself to the citizenry embracing abiding the law when it comes to self-defense.
As the impacts of the rollbacks on unconstitutional gun regulations shake out, we will likely see the gears start moving a little faster on things like this, even as state governments play fuck-fuck games with our rights, trying to end run the Supreme Court. All else being the same, state laws like CA, NJ, and NY’s heavy handed concealed carry regulations, and attempts to open up gunmakers to lawsuits for… well, making guns should die long, expensive deaths on the steps of the highest court in the land, but until then we can only hope for the best and harass our representatives to do the right thing.
You can’t point to a single cop show or action movie where the shoulder holster isn’t prominently displayed.
James Bond, Die Hard, Miami Vice, Last Man Standing, The Mummy, Bad Boys, Bullitt, Lethal Weapon, The Matrix, The Untouchables, Dirty Harry, the list goes on and on.
Despite it being an iconic “plain clothes” carry method, it’s been oft relegated to the preference of “fudds” in recent years. Why is that?
With the glut of appendix/inside the waistband options these days, it’s understandable that older carry methods would fall by the wayside, but is the shoulder holster obsolete, or just misunderstood?
[FYI: Appendix is no spring chicken of a carry method either.]
I’m inclined to say the latter, and here’s why.
I’ve been fortunate enough to fall under the tutelage of Darryl Bolke in the last couple of years, and he has seen fit to share with me not only some of his own personal experiences but conversations that he’s had with other industry experts as well.
So what was the death knell for shoulder holsters? In a word: square range training.
For institutional training (law enforcement), it’s far more challenging for a Rangemaster to operate a safe course of fire with a line of shoulder holsters than it is working off of duty belts. For competition, it’s virtually impossible for someone not to violate the 180 rule without some very intentional body positioning on the draw and holstering.
So they didn’t so much fall out of favor as they were forced out of favor, due to the existing administrative rule sets.
So was this an example of natural selection, or is the shoulder rig still viable?
From a purely concealment standpoint I do feel that there are better options that will allow you to hide a comparably sized gun without the wardrobe limitation. Hollywood has given us a false idea of just how easy it is to effectively conceal with a shoulder holster, mostly because it’s not actually in use unless it’s on display for the scene.
With that being said, if you look at the shoulder rig less as a concealment solution, and more as a “gentleman’s LBE*” as Jack Clemons called it, it suddenly becomes a bit more appealing.
Shoulder holsters make larger guns easier to live with, donning and doffing is simple, and the shoulder holster will always keep the gun in the same spot regardless of what you’re wearing (obviously keeping it hidden requires some wardrobe considerations).
If you look at where shoulder holsters were most commonplace, it was with investigators and bodyguards. Both roles have you seated for extended periods of time. Instances like that certainly benefit from bringing gear up off the beltline to make it more accessible (look at the GWOT trend of mounted combat arms troops attaching holsters to their body armor).
While I doubt I’d ever recommend one to someone as their first holster, I do still think there are circumstance where a shoulder holster could be an appropriate choice.
Have you ever noticed a big disconnect between Hollywood and the rest of the world? Surely you must have. They love to show guns in their films but are also against the right to keep and bear arms. That’s the most glaring example, but have you ever noticed how some guns get a ton of representation in moves, even though they were never nearly as successful as film and media want them to be? Today we are going to look at pop culture’s most overrated guns.
I mentioned film initially, but for this article, we’ll factor in film, TV, and video games. We will break down five guns that pop culture would have us believe are widely successful but, in reality, are nowhere near as common.
1. Desert Eagle
The Desert Eagle takes the number one spot because, holy crap, it is famous. The Desert Eagle is easily the king of pop culture guns. It has over 600 film credits alone and pops up in every video game, movie, and TV show where it fits. It’s often portrayed as a monstrously powerful pistol capable of stopping the biggest, baddest bad guys with a single shot. It’s gloriously overrated.
In reality, the Desert Eagle is a fine weapon if you want a magnum caliber automatic. It’s not a practical weapon for combat by any means with its hefty recoil, massive size, and limited magazine capacity. It’s okay for hunting but other than that, it’s a fun novelty. No self-respecting commando, soldier, secret agent, or criminal would use one as a fighting pistol.
2. SPAS-12
The SPAS-12 ruled the 80s and 90s in film and TV and still rules in video games. These distinctive shotguns graced films like Terminator, games like Counter-Strike, and even TV shows like the Walking Dead. You’d be hard-pressed to find a more distinctive shotgun than the SPAS-12. It’s a shotgun that’s convertible between semi-auto and pump-action, and depending on the media, it’s often portrayed as one or the other.
In reality, the SPAS-12 only looks good. It’s huge. Heavy, fragile, and unreliable. It needed heavy loads to function but also tended to break easily. Oh, and don’t forget that the safety would accidentally fire the weapon. Loading the gun was a pain, and it was expensive. There is a reason why the SPAS-12 never saw success. It makes me angry to see how overrated the gun is in video games when so many other awesome shotguns exist.
3. Glock 18
Handguns are great, but what if they were full auto! That clearly means they are better, and the Glock 18 is somehow one of the most prolific machine pistols in pop culture. What shooting game doesn’t have a Glock 18 these days? Movies like The Matrix and Skyfall make the gun seem like the ultimate handheld weapon.
In reality, the Glock 18 is quite rare and was a special firearm ordered by an elite anti-terrorism force decades ago. Other than that elite force and Saddam Hussein’s personal model, the Glock 18 isn’t a common gun. Standard Glocks can be converted to full auto, but those aren’t Glock 18s. In reality, machine pistols are absurdly difficult to control and not super useful. That being said, they are cool, and I see why they are constantly used in film and video games.
4. Remington/Buchmaster ACR
The Remington ACR evolved from the Magpul Masada and was set to take over the world. If you believe every mid-2000s movie, then it was certainly a success. It pops up in every Call of Duty and Battlefield game, and it’s in the Transformers flicks, Planet of the Apes, and even Batman vs. Superman. The most valuable thing about the ACR in these movies and video games is that it doesn’t look like an M4.
There is nothing wrong with the ACR design-wise (anymore? soon again, probably?). It’s reportedly a great rifle, but Remington and Bushmaster did what they always did during their twilight and messed up the launch. It was double the original stated MSRP, and the promised caliber conversions appeared (kinda) years after they were promised. Support waned, and Remington went bankrupt. While it’s an excellent gun, it’s seriously overrated in media. But like the G36 before it, it looked cool as hell on screen.
5. Kriss Vector
When you need a gun to arm your futuristic army, or you need a top-tier SMG for your video game, it’s likely going to be the Kriss Vector. This odd duck of gun design looks like it stepped out of 2099, but it’s been kicking around since 2006. It’s the futuristic choice of forces in the Divergent series, in the Maze Runner, and many more. Every tactical shooter features the Vector, which stands out exceptionally well.
Like the ACR, the Kriss Vector isn’t a bad gun. It hasn’t had more success in police and military forces because, by 2006, the arms world figured out how to make short carbines in 5.56 work. The Vector came about when SMGs were already taking a back seat. Although, it’s seemingly a popular PCC and braced pistol on the civilian market. It’s controls are kinda goofy too.
Blasting Away
Pop culture can influence the success of firearms. Dirty Harry helped sell thousands of Model 29s, and between Lethal Weapon and Die Hard, the Beretta 92 will never die. Hollywood and video games often choose guns for their look, not their function. That’s true of the Model 29 and the Beretta 92 series, but those also happen to be great guns.
Sometimes they get it right. Other times, the SPAS-12 gets more screen time than it could ever deserve. Without pop culture, most of these guns would be far from overrated and likely be little blips on the greater cultural zeitgeist, but now they’ll be preserved forever.
On this episode, the boys, minus Caleb, are reviewing the massive summer blockbuster hit, Top Gun Maverick.
DANGER ZONE
This was a fun episode. Jack and I loved this movie from the standpoint of… well… MOVIE making. We don’t care about the story elements that are less than realistic (there are many) we wanted unrealism used skillfully for story telling and Top Gun: Maverick does that insanely well.
The movie is fun.
The movie respects its protagonists. It tells a simple and fun story, we have good character arcs and when its time to go off the rails and have fun. We do that.