Welcome to We Like Shooting’s Double Tap, Episode 10, Tonight we’ll roast some nuts, we’ll answer your questions on Dear WLS, we’ll talk about NOT GUNS, and revisit past gear on gear chat revisited!
We Like Shooting 189 – Whiskey Diction
Welcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 189 – tonight we’ll talk about 5.11, Faxon, Battle Arms Development, 9mm AR build, Polymer80 and more!
We Like Shooting Double Tap 011 – Who farted?
Welcome to We Like Shooting’s Double Tap, Episode 11, Tonight we’ll roast potatoes and those that will not be silenced, we’ll answer your questions on Dear WLS, we’ll talk about NOT GUNS, and revisit past gear on gear chat revisited!
Lancer Systems L5AWM: AR15 Magazine Test
From Travis Pike
Once upon a time when it came to AR 15 magazines you were limited to gray aluminum, or black aluminum and you were happy just to have them! This was back when we had to go uphill, both ways to the local gun store. Times change and so did AR 15 magazines. Magpul may have not invented polymer magazines, but they produced the first affordable, reliable, and durable polymer magazines. After the Pmag hit shelves the market changed for the better. These days there are literally dozens of polymer magazine manufacturers. One that caught my eye is Lancer. Lancer produces a hybrid magazine that is almost entirely polymer, but has steel feed lips. So I’ve decide to do a bit of testing with the Lancer L5 and see how well it stacks up.
I’ve put magazines through hell before, and usually it’s several magazines at once. In this case I was going to focus on one magazine. The Lancer L5 I used was brand new, bought explicitly for this test. Before we begin the Lancer L5 Torture test let’s talk about the magazine and what sets it apart.
I originally purchased a Lancer L5 because it appeared unique. The reason being is I really like polymer as a magazine body. It doesn’t dent, or bend, and tends to be a lot quieter in magazine pouches. I also like the drop free nature of aluminum. This makes swapping mags easier in a pinch.
I’ve also had issues on my second deployment with polymer feed lips. I’ve had them break after repeatedly striking a metal deck. The Lancer L5’s steel feed lips should rock and roll even after tons of abuse. Lastly they function perfectly in my SCAR 16S which is always a consideration for me.
Now, I’ve decided to see if they can take the kind of abuse necessary to keep up with how I tend to abuse guns and gear.
The tests have all been derived from my experience in the Marines and the environments and how magazines are treated in the infantry. The tests are my attempt to replicate the abuse magazines take. The tests are all done with a loaded magazine of 30 rounds and neither magazine or ammo will be cleaned until the test is over.
The Drop Test
First and foremost I wanted to see how the magazines would handle being dropped from rifle height. I did this test a total of 10 times using two different methods, 5 reps per method. The surface they were dropped on was a set of cinder blocks.

The first method was simply dropping them from the rifle as if I was doing a speed reload. It’s hardly uncommon for a magazine to strike the deck. They usually struck with the bottom of the mag hitting the block. This caused a single round to eject 5 out of 5 times.
The second method was dropping the magazine from my hand upside down. The goal was to make sure the magazine landed on the feed lips. In this situation 1 round was ejected two times.
The goal of the first method was to determine the level of abuse the magazine could take structurally from the act of reloading. I wanted to see how both the polymer body and steel feed lips would hold up to realistic abuse. Dropping the magazine on its feed lips was to determine how easily the lips could be bent and damaged.
In a running gunfight you aren’t worried about treating your magazine gently. The use of cinder blocks was to recreate the hard and merciless terrain of an urban environment. The two weakest parts of a magazine is where the bottom plate attaches to the magazine and the feed lips. Close inspection after the test showed only scratches and bumps to the magazine.

Playing Catch
The next test was the “pass me a mag” test. In combat you may hit a situation where a brother in arms needs a magazine and you have to throw them one. Throwing magazines presents some risk to the magazine. To replicate the absolutely worst conditions I tossed the magazine at a massive rock that occupies my backyard. I attempted the test ten times. 4 out of 10 times a single round ejected as the magazine struck the rock.
My goal was to replicate the worst possible scenario for tossing someone a magazine. This simple test allowed the magazine to strike the rock at different angles. Unlike the drop test this would test how the magazine would handle strikes on different parts of the magazine body, with the additional force of a throw involved. As silly as throwing a magazine at a rock seems, the rock does have varied angles. This makes the angle the magazine strikes unpredictable, and it never strikes the same way twice. If there is a weak point this test would find it.
Again, there was no noticeable damage to the magazine.

After being banged around
Getting Dirty
Dirt and water seem to be the best friends of Marines. If we weren’t wet and cold we were hot and choking in dust. Be it Iraq, Afghanistan, Djibouti, or the UAE, dirt is a constant companion. So a primary point of my Lancer L5 Torture was to see how the magazine functioned in dirt and water.
I live in a naturally sandy environment so it replicated some bad parts of the world pretty well. So I buried the mag, completely and totally. Burying a magazine follows a similar trend of this article, testing to the worst possible scenario.

Sand can and often will gum a magazine up. As sand gets caught between the magazine body, the ammunition, and magazine spring it creates friction. This friction when taken to the extreme will prevent the rounds and spring from raising high enough to feed your rifle.
Slip and Slide
With a name like the Marines you shouldn’t be surprised by how often we got wet. There was the traditional ship to shore beach landings, and trudging through the Helmand river kept us wet in Afghanland. I carried a belt fed through the Helmand, but the majority of my squad trudged through with magazines. I’ve seen them fail and succeed at different levels and in different situations after being hit with water.
Notice the Water coming out of the loaded Magazine
So I got it wet, and I got it dirty. I poured a bit of dirt, a bit of sand, and a little water into a large bowl and I ducked the magazine in it. I piled more dirt in on top of the mag and stirred it up. Made sure the water soaked in nice and deep. I wanted to give the poor Lancer L5 hell.
When mixed with water and dirt this concoction is also very likely to create internal friction. The water will also draw airborne contaminants to the magazine. The magazine also needs to be able to drain. A magazine full of water is likely to compromise the ammunition over time. From this test I noticed dirt clung to the ammunition, as pictured below. The magazine actually drained very well, as you can see in the picture above.
Does it Go Bang?
This was the quintessential moment of my Lancer L5 torture test. Will it function? I loaded it up in one of my AR 15s, still wet from being dropped in water and racked it.
It went bang!
And then it went click. The first round ejected but the second round failed to feed. It didn’t jam the gun, the spring failed to raise the round high enough to feed. Clearly the ammunition was affected by the sand and mud.
I gave the magazine the old tap, rack, and finally bang. I really ‘tapped’ the bottom of the magazine about as hard as I could. The weapon continued to function for the next 26 rounds. Perfectly. The second to last round fired, ejected, and then I had a standard failure to feed. The round dived slightly, and another tap, rack, bang fixed it.
So a total of two malfunctions over thirty rounds. I had confidence in the magazine, but was surprised it functioned oh so well. I expected malfunctions, and thought they’d be more frequent and difficult. Keep in mind the magazine went through these tests all in the same day, one after another, always loaded.
Once disassembled there was no damage to the follower, spring of floorplate. It was filthy and wet inside, but it held together. What do you think? Was my Lancer L5 Torture test up to snuff? Is there any tests you think I should put the mag through? Let us know.
We Like Shooting 191 – Audience Malfunction
Welcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 191 – tonight we’ll talk about First time competition, Vortex optics, my new AR, Candy Yow and more!
We Like Shooting Double Tap 012 – Soliloquy
Welcome to We Like Shooting’s Double Tap, Episode 12, Tonight we’ll roast to your health and talk about the most terrifying thing that could ever happen to you, we’ll answer your questions on Dear WLS, we’ll talk about NOT GUNS, and revisit past gear on gear chat revisited!
The Yeti Roadie Cooler
There is nothing more aggravating than having a cooler that can’t keep up with your lifestyle. Life can be demanding, whether you are working or having fun. You need a cooler that can keep up with you. That is why looked into The Roadie cooler from Yeti.
Roadie is a person who loads and unloads equipment for a band. This is a person who is always on the road and doesn’t have the comforts of home or a refrigerator to keep their drinks or food refrigerated. I think the meaning behind Yeti giving their cooler the Roadie name, is they know that this cooler will always be on the go and not stored in your garage.
One of the benefits of being a mobile cooler with these dimensions (OUTSIDE 14 3/8” × 19” × 13 ¾” / INSIDE 10” × 13” × 8 3/8” ),it will fit anywhere without getting in the way. The Roadie is perfect for camping, boating, kayaking and canoeing. The other application that the name refers to is it’s a great traveling companion. The Roadie fits in the truck cab with you making everything you need easy to access while on the road. You don’t have to worry about it taking up to much room or making a mess, as it will not condensate on your seats or floor. It makes a great armrest while riding shotgun too.
One of the other features that all the Yeti Tundra coolers have are the bear proof seal. Add a couple of locks and your food is secure. The Roadie is small and light enough weighing in at 15 pounds, it is not unreasonable to pull the cooler up into a tree when you are in bear country. Bear proofing your camp is a breeze with the Yeti construction, especially the way the form-fitting lid inter-locks with the cold-lock gasket. The Roadie has a full-length handle that locks in place to assist in ease of transport or tying off to for bear proofing your camp. The handle folds back out of the way when it is not needed almost like it is not there. The lid design and sealing gasket keeps food cool and when locked down with the heavy-duty rubber latches helps to conceal the food odor that would attract bears in the first place. This gasket also seals out heat and cold in.
The Roadie is the smallest of the Tundra series with all the features. Yeti has put many design features into making these coolers adaptable to what ever you are doing. Yeti offers a ton of accessories for the Tundra series, which are explained in detail on their website.
I have used several Yeti products the Tumbler, Tundra 35 and the Roadie. I have been very satisfied with all of their products. I have found that they live up to the Yeti claims and well worth the price you pay. These products are tough, well made, and they last. I can promise you I have spent way more on replacing other coolers over the years, if I would have just bought the best up front, I would have saved a lot of money and heartache.
I use my Roadie, not just when I am in the woods, but also during the day on the construction site. This cooler is never out of place, it can be transition from your canoe to your camp ground to your pickup truck at work. It will be with you on the road as long as you are.
Source: http://www.thegearlocker.net/2017/02/yeti-roadie-cooler/
We Like Shooting 192 – #fakenews
Welcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 192 – tonight we’ll talk about Brownell’s BCG’s, Hyskore, BRigand Arms, Dan Wesson, Jard, Black Rhino Concealment and more!
We Like Shooting Double Tap 009 – Awkward discharges
Welcome to We Like Shooting’s Double Tap, Episode 9, Tonight we’ll roast some negligent discharges, we’ll answer your questions on Dear WLS, we’ll talk about NOT GUNS, and revisit past gear on gear chat revisited!
We Like Shooting 188 – Minimizing the future
Welcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 188 – tonight we’ll talk about Fisher Development, 9mm SBR’s, the Grand Power X-Calibur, Falcon 37 and more!
We Like Shooting Double Tap 008 – Three Musketeers
Welcome to We Like Shooting’s Double Tap, Episode 8, Tonight we’ll roast the big bang, we’ll answer your questions on Dear WLS, we’ll talk about NOT GUNS, and revisit past gear on gear chat revisited!
We Like Shooting 193 – Shirts off for Jerambe
Welcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 193 – tonight we’ll talk about urris, Chiappa, Stealth Arms, Dead Air Armament, Crafted Ballistics and more!
GC-119 Steve Fisher | I Don’t Hate 1911 Handguns
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In Gunfighter Cast episode GC-119, Steve Fisher from Sentinel Concepts and I discuss everything one needs to know to enter the 1911 world. Contrary to what some people took from my video “4 Reasons I Don’t Trust The 1911 with my Life” I don’t hate 1911s. In fact, I am dedicating many hours, training sessions and classes to the 1911 platform to insure that my choice to not carry one is the correct one. I am interested to see what I find this year.
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We Like Shooting 179 – Charity Boxing Match
Welcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 179 – tonight we’ll talk about Hudson Manufacturing, Brownells, Angstadt Arms, the Long Range Shooting Handbook and more!
Former Special Ops Sniper that is currently an attorney and author of the Long Range Shooting Handbook
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Our cast for episode 179 is Shawn Herrin, Aaron Krieger, Savage1r, Jeremy Pozderac! We are also joined by Ava Flanell from Elite Firearms & Training
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Savage1r goes over the news of the day relating to guns, rights and more!
- Mass Shooting at Ft. Lauderdale Airport. Shooter was mentally ill with a history of violence.
- bills introduced: elimination of gun free zones, national ccw, and HPA reintroduced.
- Outspoken critic of the clintons/Janet Reno, and the ATF volunteers to be the head of the ATF for $1.
- Palmetto State Armory buys DDI. – Aaron
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Great show
by Tandem26 on Jan 07, 2017
RATING: ★★★★★
I’ll keep this quick as I know that Jeremy needs to finish his crayons, and is probably getting cranky.(It’s ok little fella you can get back to chewing Crayola’s soon enough) The first time I listened I wasn’t sure I could make it through a entire show, but now you guys have become one of my favorites. Keep up the good work I look forward to the next show every week.
All of Jeremy’s ex’s are men from Texas
by Jandenis86 on Jan 06, 2017
RATING: ★★★★★
This show is definitely one of the better gun podcasts out there. If you are unfamiliar with the show, I can give you a brief rundown of the cast. Shawn, the host, is generally well informed and I just appreciate him as a human being. Aaron is the annoying, interrupting, lox loving fat sidekick. Jeremy is the guy whom every episode has to tell everyone how big and strong he is. He brags about all the ladies he has had, yet there is never any proof (cough,cough,homo). Eva is usually on the rag and lost all credibility as a trainer after admitting to purse carrying her firearm. She should conceal her gun next to where she tucks her massive sack. Nick, who cares about Nick. Last but not the least high, is Savage. If he traded in all his crappy guns, he might be able to buy one that works, like a Glock or a ray gun. I Jeremy, love man meat but I can’t even find my own.
Sorry
by Geologists Make The Bedrock on Jan 05, 2017
RATING: ★★★★★
Hey Shaun, I’m the guy that accidentally put .223 in the burn barrel during the KTG tactical carbine 2 class on New Years eve… My bad. I just wanted to say that you deserve the nobel peace prize because you are such a great guy. Anyways, I just wanted to say that during the personal interview Jon Patton had with Jeremy, I noticed that he said his favorite food is mozarella sticks. I am guessing his favorite vegetable is a cucumber and his favorite fruit is looking in the mirror… jk. I hope you guys (and Ava) have a great 2017.
geramie is gay
by numbnuts7 on Jan 03, 2017
RATING: ★★★★★
the only thing you need to know about this show is that geramy is a closeted gay, and that is why he is such a raging ashhole.
Humility Lost, from Bobby
by Lokken556 on Jan 02, 2017
RATING: ★★☆☆☆
Hello WLS, and Happy New Year. I’ve been listening to your podcast for more than a year, and it’s been on of my favorite podcasts out of the 7 others that I listen too weekly. Let me begin by apologizing for this being my first review, but…until episode 177, I would have given them all a 5 star rating, since you guys usually make my day as I listen at work. The reason for the 2 stars for this episode is Shawns seeming lack of humility and hypocritical attitude toward other media sources, and people that Shawn actually called out by name! The hypocritical assertion refers to an earlier episode (I can’t recall which one) where Shawn make a comment about how the Firearms industry needs to stop putting down their competition, and support the community as a whole. In episode 177, he speaks against print media, which was, and in many ways still is relevant. Massad Ayoob, and many other were, and still are writing for print media. I don’t believe alienating so much of the industry that you claim to support would be appreciative you applauding only “consumers of new media”. The one Instagram personality that you called out by name seemed almost spiteful. I’d never even heard of her before you said her name, but after researching her after the episode, I couldn’t find a negative. This woman is a registered nurse, and i dare say that she’s done more for the community than Shawn has, and yes, she uses her good looks to garner attention…welcome to marketing buddy! You need to remember where you came from Shawn. Being funny and T triple C certified are not valid credentials when criticizing industry experts, like the ones who still reach us through “Old media”. Humility is a jagged pill to swallow, but please take one anyway, because I really do love your show. Shoot Straight!
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